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THE MIND BLOGGLING CONSEQUENCES OF BUSH DERANGEMENT SYNDROME
What follows is a re-writing of my post #60 to exclude what might be considered foul language in case Rick feels he needs to erase my previous post. Sorry Rick, I didn't notice your rules before I posted.
I wasn’t gonna do this, but DeWayne’s calumnies can’t be allowed to stand.
relatively minor terrorist attacks against US targets, i.e. the USS Cole, Nairobi Embassy
Terror attacks were escalating in complexity, deadliness, and sheer bravado for 15 years, culminating in 9-11. These attacks weren’t minor by any definition. They were acts of war. If any state had carried out these operations we would go to war with that state. Clinton and Bush Sr. did not see these threats for what they were. GWBush did.
We decipher that he must be referring to Clinton’s occasional ineffective Cruise Missile. Even though the President’s meaning is understood the puzzle remains.
So even though we know explicitely what the President meant, both by your own hand and by extensive parsing of that statement in Rice’s testimony among others, we still don’t know what it meant. You’re in la-la land. You pose a question, answer it and then insist that we pretend it remains unanswered so that you can offer up your conspiracy theory.
Looking at some of the other pieces of the puzzle may give us a clue to the answer.
Or we could use the answer we already have. The one the President and his staff have given multiple times. But no let's follow the Yellow Brick, see where it goes.
Character assassinated Secretary of Treasury Paul O’Neil tells us that from day one the Bush Administration was planning for post war Iraq. Despite the fact that he is a disgruntle, crazy, old man, for conversation sake let’s say what he said was true. In that case, the administration would have had to decide before they took office that they were going to go after Iraq as the way to deal with terrorism.
So the Bush administration is making plans for an invasion and post war planning is in it’s very early – hypothetical – stages. For a country which has WMD, has kicked out UN inspectors (more Cruise missle swats), has ties to international terrorism, is run by a madman guilty of genocide who has started two wars in the last 15 years, who we are “keeping in a box†by stationing tens of thousands of US troops in Saudi Arabia (a move that this nutjob called Bin Laden is always on about when he blows up our embassies and ships in harbor) and enforcing a no-fly zone over 80% of his country (and he keeps firing missiles at our planes) and who we just fought a war with, which terms of the cease fire have yet to be met. Now what on earth could they have been thinking in trying to plan for the possibility that we could find ourselves in armed conflict with that guy again? Oh, I know. It was “as the way to deal with terrorism.†WTF? Are you really that dumb? Do you really think we’re that dumb? That we didn’t see what you tried to do there? The early admin. planning had nothing to do with terrorism. It was about clearing an existing security problem, one way or another, that the previous President was content to let fester while he chased the international terrorist Yasser Arafat around a table at Camp David trying to ram his tongue down the murderer's throat in the hopes of getting a Nobel Prize.
Buying into Wolfowitz’s utopian plan for spreading democracy in the Middle East as the answer to the problem of Islamic terrorist activity and would constitute a “broader plan.â€
Wow. Just wow. You are absolutely incredible. Utopian plan? Democracy is the answer Islamic terrorist activity? Lemme do your comprehending for you here and we’ll see if we can get you up to speed. But I doubt we can, as this has been laid out so clearly and so many times that I think you’re not quite capable of grasping it.
Democracy will provide stability for Middle Eastern governments. Stability is the means to preventing jihadis from creating a movement large enough to topple the weak and unpopular tyrannies in the region. This denies them oil resources and a state apparatus to attempt the restoration of the Caliphate. Democracy is the Long Game.
Removing dictators who threaten their neighbors and have very little popular support also goes a long way toward the same goal, especially if you replace them with democracies. It also removes an excuse, the aforementioned madman as an exterior threat, to avoid democratic reform in countries where it’s still possible. Freedom is a good. It increases stability in an important region. This is the Mid-Term Game. Examples; Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Syria, Iran. Examples of reformables; Pakistan (complicated, but doable), Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Yemen, Qatar, Kuwait, etc.
Putting pressure on states that allow terrorists to operate from their territory, and on banking and businesses who deal with terrorists is the Short Game. States include England, Italy, Germany, Afghanistan (pre-invasion), Pakistan, Lebanon, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East, the Philippines, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Canada, etc.
The plan is not utopian. The plan is not simple. The plan is not brief. “15 – 20 years†is the way the President has put it. “A generational challenge†is another phrase used. This was not dreamed up on the campaign trail in 1999.
the Bush plan was to sit and wait for the next nuisance terrorist attack, which in turn would become the impetus to put their plan into action.
So after having deliberatly misunderstood and mischaracterized every statement from the Bush adminstration that you’ve quoted so far you’re now ready to create something from whole cloth? This is your fantasy. There’s no evidence for this assertion. It’s just a fever dream you had while trying to explain your inability to comprehend the most basic of ideas put forward by the administration. Why?
BDS. Bush cannot mean what he says because you’re insane. If he does not mean what he says he must mean something else. Enter your fantasy, exit reality, and welcome to the complete circle that is your disease…BDS. You believe Bush knew because you cannot accept that he didn’t. It doesn’t matter that there are reasonable accounts for what he did prior to 9-11. It doesn’t matter that Bush has to be border line retarded, literally, for your theory to make sense. Facts cannot mean what they actually mean. You must give them a new meaning. And not just any meaning, it must be a meaning which demonstrates Bush to be a venal monster and an incompetent. Because that’s what he is. After all that’s why he cannot mean what he says and facts cannot be what they are.
Citizen DeWayne, you’re a fool. And that’s a fact. And you are what Rick is referring to in this post.
Comment Posted By The Apologist On 25.05.2006 @ 10:12
Comment #60 was in response to comment #14 if anyone is confused.
Comment Posted By The Apologist On 25.05.2006 @ 09:48
I wasn't gonna do this, but DeWayne's calumnies can't be allowed to stand.
relatively minor terrorist attacks against US targets, i.e. the USS Cole, Nairobi Embassy
Terror attacks were escalating in complexity, deadliness, and sheer bravado for 15 years, culminating in 9-11. These attacks weren't minor by any definition. They were acts of war. If any state had carried out these operations we would go to war with that state. Clinton and Bush Sr. did not see these threats for what they were. GWBush did.
We decipher that he must be referring to Clinton’s occasional ineffective Cruise Missile. Even though the President’s meaning is understood the puzzle remains.
So even though we know explicitely what the President meant, both by your own hand and by extensive parsing of that statement in Rice's testimony among others, we still don't know what it meant. You're in la-la land. You pose a question, answer it and then insist that we pretend it remains unanswered so that you can offer up your conspiracy theory.
Looking at some of the other pieces of the puzzle may give us a clue to the answer.
Or we could use the answer we already have. The one the President and his staff have given multiple times.
Character assassinated Secretary of Treasury Paul O’Neil tells us that from day one the Bush Administration was planning for post war Iraq. Despite the fact that he is a disgruntle, crazy, old man, for conversation sake let’s say what he said was true. In that case, the administration would have had to decide before they took office that they were going to go after Iraq as the way to deal with terrorism.
So the Bush administration is making plans for an invasion and post war planning is in it's very early - hypothetical - stages. For a country which has WMD, has kicked out UN inspectors (more Cruise missle swats), has ties to international terrorism, is run by a madman guilty of genocide who has started two wars in the last 15 years, who we are "keeping in a box" by stationing tens of thousands of US troops in Saudi Arabia (a move that this nutjob called Bin Laden is always on about when he blows up our embassies and ships in harbor) and enforcing a no-fly zone over 80% of his country (and he keeps firing missiles at our planes) and who we just fought a war with, which terms of the cease fire have yet to be met. Now what on earth could they have been thinking in trying to plan for the possibility that we could find ourselves in armed conflict with that guy again? Oh, I know. It was "as the way to deal with terrorism." WTF? Are you really that dumb? Do you really think we're that dumb? That we didn't see what you tried to do there? The early admin planning had nothing to do with terrorism. It was about clearing a security problem one way or another that the previous President was content to let fester while he chased the international terrorist Yasser Arafat around a table at Camp David trying to ram his tongue down the bastard's throat in the hopes of getting a Nobel Prize.
Buying into Wolfowitz’s utopian plan for spreading democracy in the Middle East as the answer to the problem of Islamic terrorist activity and would constitute a “broader plan.â€
Wow. Just wow. You are an incredible douchebag. Utopian plan? Democracy is the answer Islamic terrorist activity? Lemme do your comprehending for you here and we'll see if we can get you up to speed. But I doubt we can, as this has been laid out so clearly and so many times that I think you're not quite capable of grasping it.
Democracy will provide stability for Middle Eastern governments. Stability is the means to preventing jihadis from creating a movement large enough to topple the weak and unpopular tyrannies in the region. This denies them oil resources and a state apparatus to attempt the restoration of the Caliphate. Democracy is the Long Game.
Removing dictators who threaten their neighbors and have very little popular support also goes a long way toward the same goal, especially if you replace them with democracies. It also removes an excuse, the aforementioned madman as an exterior threat, to avoid democratic reform in countries where it's still possible. Freedom is a good. It increases stability in an important region. This is the Mid-Term Game. Examples; Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Syria, Iran. Examples of reformables; Pakistan (complicated, but doable), Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Yemen, Qatar, Kuwait, etc.
Putting pressure on states that allow terrorists to operate from their territory, and on banking and businesses who deal with terrorists is the Short Game. States include England, Italy, Germany, Afghanistan (pre-invasion), Pakistan, Lebanon, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East, the Philippines, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Canada, etc.
The plan is not utopian. The plan is not simple. The plan is not brief. "15 - 20 years" is the way the President has put it. "A generational challenge" is another phrase used. This was not dreamed up on the campaign trail in 1999.
the Bush plan was to sit and wait for the next nuisance terrorist attack, which in turn would become the impetus to put their plan into action.
So after having deliberatly misunderstood and mischaracterized every statement from the Bush adminstration that you've quoted so far you're now ready to create something from whole cloth? This is your fantasy. There's no evidence for this assertion. It's just a fever dream you had while trying to explain your inability to comprehend the most basic of ideas put forward by the administration. Why?
BDS. Bush cannot mean what he says because you're insane. If he does not mean what he says he must mean something else. Enter your fantasy, exit reality, and welcome to the complete circle that is your disease...BDS. You believe Bush knew because you cannot accept that he didn't. It doesn't matter that there are reasonable accounts for what he did prior to 9-11. It doesn't matter that Bush has to be border line retarded, literally, for your theory to make sense. Facts cannot mean what they actually mean. You must give them a new meaning. And not just any meaning, it must be a meaning which demonstrates Bush to be a venal monster and an incompetent. Because that's what he is. After all that's why he cannot mean what he says and facts cannot be what they are.
Citizen DeWayne, you're a moron. And that's a fact. And you are what Rick is referring to in this post.
Comment Posted By The Apologist On 25.05.2006 @ 09:39
Rick, I'm glad you're going to the conference. I was hoping someone sane would go and report on it.
Regarding the poll, these aren't voters they're polling. It's just people. Most people are stupid. Most stupid people don't vote because "my vote doesn't matter." I'm not worried. It's higher than I would like, but national tragedies have a way of compelling people toward some simple explanation. (Who shot JFK?) They want an explanation they don't have to think about or articulate or investigate. And they want an answer that doesn't require them to do anything or change anything. I'm betting these numbers haven't actually moved much over the last four years.
Plus, I'm not convinced 1200 is a big enough sample to give a meaningful accounting of the US population's opinions on this.
Comment Posted By The Apologist On 25.05.2006 @ 06:42
LEOPOLD'S FAIRY TALE HAS THE LEFT ATWITTER
Wow. Is that a "cargo cult" reference? If it is, I'm gonna have to come back more often. Classy neighborhood.
Maybe if they call a press conference Fitz will return (indictments) and set up God's Kingdom (Democrat win in '06) in D.C.
Comment Posted By The Apologist On 14.05.2006 @ 21:38
